Read Between The Lines

All you guys and gals know me, sometimes you have to just read between the lines...

You are shortly going to see some major fireworks and not because everyone wants a replay of 4 July.

There will be people looking backwards over their shoulders to see who was taking the shots. Figuratively speaking, of course. They won't know what's happening.

Amazing marketing, this brand - good product, sure
but damn the price!

People have still not yet worked out that although all of these sophisticated plans have been in the pipeline for a while, they were 'brought on' suddenly without anyone really knowing what 'pushed the button.'

Really the thing to do to pull back from what's about to happen is that... ...ah well, no -, there's no one going to pull back from anything; they're all so in control, right?

So we can leave off all of this depressing stuff and shift focus to some brighter territory. Time to buy some LVMH prestige materialism. These people have easy-to-access on-line though incredibly high-end things you can spend your time and money on. For example, they own and have branded - using one of the most politically-connected marketing groups in London, Commission Studio - this outfit called 'Clos19.'

'Clos' is a french word that means an enclosure, and the word is applied to fenced-off pieces of terroir, in other words vineyards in the most expensive grape-growing real estate. 

And in french translations of the Bible, it is also the word used for the 'Garden' of Eden.

It has the explicit implication of some place being 'walled off,' totally walled off.

The rich elite, well they like to 'close themselves' off
from the rest of us. When they try to 'close you off' -
get worried! 

Shifting gears once again, I saw that interview Don Jr. did with his dad where he asked the President about Area 51. It was clear enough from the answer that there are classified things going on there - as of course there are in a large number of other enclosed facilities. Real, enclosed facilities. Could easily re-name the place 'Clos51.' 

As long as it isn't 'Slaughterhouse 5,' at least.

One of the things that is being developed by large military-industrial groups, in this specific instance Boeing being the key partner - is scaled-up applications of a specific superfluid polariton Bose-Einstein condensate effect. Which is, namely, an anti-gravity process. Small application units are already part of some of the high-end 'standard' interceptor jet technology - as they are too, in Russian-made military aircraft technology.

There is no possible way that the US Military is going to risk something like this accidentally falling into the hands of, say, China - and so they are not going to fly anything that uses this technology over actual China airspace despite the fact they can easily technically breach any human radar system on Earth right now. So you will see these typical recent 'tic-tac' style UAP's/UAV's all 'filmed' flying over open ocean or well inside American-controlled airspace, although in the case of the recent India/China incidents it seems that India is regarded as some kind of trustable partner - and let's face it, Bose himself albeit an American citizen, was an ethnic Bengali. There have been a few 'air displays' over India recently, and then a hot run-through in Ladakh following which the Chinese army retreated in a hurry.

Calm down, have a cup of tea - it is not, the End of the
World... ...yet. There's still a bit of hurt to go before that.

Bose-Einstein condensate is the main underlying scientific medium, in which people are playing around with this new field of 'spintronics.' Spintronics though, does not only involve data being conveyed via electron spin, but also other exotic effects of propagated electromagnetic waves using pulse inversion to massively augment power - since, as you know, circles are not actually continuous, being made up of radial line segments in discrete order around the axis.

Anyway, to hell with all of that - which I don't really fully understand anyway - and back to this simple fact about how funny humans (especially who are coming at things from the strictly political, at least the public political standpoint) are in always thinking about technology, whenever it comes to what we can 'learn' from the aliens who may, or may not but probably did though(!) send something down there at Area 51 some time ago.

I guess one of the problems with literally anyone being able to dissect any of the pop fiction/fantasy stuff and pull out anything reliably factual and therefore useful, is that mainstream figures in the world of entertainment and propaganda such as Robert Heinlein, were active intelligence 'contacts' if not operatives exactly, right throughout their whole careers and lives. So there's a lot of sheer propaganda out there. And it has been driven with government-scale marketing dollars. Humans beings are like this - you can stick the truth squarely in their face and if they have a standing mindset to 'go a certain way,' it's effectively a religion you're dealing with, not any kind of willingness to see 'truth.' You will never undo the idea that ET alien vehicles, or a vehicle, crashed there. I mean that is one of the most stupid, ludicrous ideas of all time when you think about it, but it has been an idea people readily swallowed.

I have to be careful posting this kind of thing -
but, this is the place where the Clos19 branding
was thought up.

The programs being run at Area 51 were at quite a different level (to what people suppose) - highly active, still, and completely sanctioned at the top level of command - and they involved development of cutting-edge military-use technology but also, and very critically, aspects of 'human response' research. I suppose you could say, broadly, psychology.

Seeing that we have established, haven't we, that much of what I post here is sort of 'thought experiment' speculation -, so then along these lines now, you would have to suppose that ET aliens habitually among themselves speak a completely different language to what is common here on the Earth. If for the purpose of speculation, we assume that ET aliens who could care less about intellectualizing with us, have rather similar mouths and mouth and throat and face muscles, to us, then the kind of language they have is not necessarily amazingly dissimilar by the same token. Funny, because you could look at ancient texts about 'speaking in tongues' and it will have a new meaning if you look at it this way.

Wonder what the background bacteria levels are 'up there' on 'Death Star 1...' Not to worry, just make sure you wash your hands with anti-bac and so that you won't get disturbed by the seriously sardonic mouths, they can all cover their mouths with a mask as they 'blend in.' OCD little bastards. 

LOL

I'm just pulling your legs.

The truth is, right, the truth... ...is, that the Rothschilds are in control of everything and so are the Jesuits and the Zionists and everyone else that everyone knows for sure, is, in control. And the radical Left. And the MSM. And Ellen DeGeneris. Oh yeah. They are so powerful all of these.

'Q' from Star Trek, in the good ol' words of the Quran -
'ahad' meaning, 'one of' ('Q'); guaranteed 100% ethnic...
...Russian.

Back to maths and physics...

When it comes to things like superfluidity, we are verging on aspects of the so-called 'extra-dimensional' in the theoretical maths and physics here, and here things also become a touch weird from our ordinary day-to-day perspective, because as I'm sure all of you know, there are no knots in 4-dimensional space.

Whereas, we here on Earth, playing in our little sandbox, seem to have nothing but knots everywhere in just about everything we turn our hands and our minds to, nothing is straightforward for us. You can hit someone clear in the face with something and they will go 'I didn't feel a thing.' And then after that, what you have to do, is... Well... Maybe we don't need to signal punches either. And 'one sword is enough,' they say.

  

Extradition Bill V. Security Law

So it's been the 4th of July and the President of the United States gave his speech at Mount Rushmore, with the sunset media basically decrying everything he said and the sentiment of the whole thing.

Everything's bad according to the MSM, and the world is going to end as well with several Jewish Rabbis saying that the moon is somehow now a great sign from the Hashem, that indeed things are only going to get worse and well, end of the world, really.

I guess that could save all of those caught up in the soon-to-be major public unfolding of the scandal that was the little world of Jeffrey Epstein.

'Dr Lauren Slaughter' off 'Half Moon Street.'
Ghislaine, before there was a Ghislaine - just ask
Paul Theroux; been there, done that. 

Everyone's going hog wild that this major scandal to do with sexual compromising at highest levels has been 'revealed.'

...Which never ever happened before, right? There was never ever any sexual compromising that went on in politics and high society ever. And if it did it never ever ever was revealed.

On the surface you can take a fear-filled response to all of this. You can look at Emperor Xi of Beijing and observe how neatly he exploited the Covid19 situation - after at first being smashed by the public in Hong Kong to have to back down and 'allow' Carrie Lam to remove the Extradition Bill. How 'neatly' he just rushed straight back in and passed a law in his own country to forward to Hong Kong about new national security laws they should enact if not indeed simply just ratify.

Not.

Okay so let me read back to you where things really stand...

Don't mess around now and look for reasons this is not going to happen, because it is going happen.

Gold and silver can do nothing but rise in the circumstances. What is actually going on is Xi has been massively rebuffed, and he looks like an idiot. The only 'law' he passed was one he pushed through his own Party Congress, without showing to anyone in the public anywhere, and without even showing a copy to Carrie Lam in Hong Kong before it was 'passed' in Beijing.

Zuul: 'Are you a god?'

There are major problems in NoKo with assessments suggesting General Hwang Pyong-so has taken over actual command authority.

Realistically, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and Vietnam (quietly) will steer in behind Hong Kong and unleash a relentless unseen typhoon against Beijing and the CCP will die.

The likelihood that Joe Biden will win the up-coming US Presidential election depends on whether his wife -  other Joe Biden - can see her way clear to releasing enough of his remaining brain cells to... ...well, okay there isn't a chance.

Oh sure, 'the Anti-Christ' could appear to try and manually turn things around for that team but then I'm not sure the timing there if he did that is anything other than slightly 'under pressure.'

If you're feeling pessimistic it could be a subconscious visceral response to the genuine and authentic fear a lot of people are feeling on account they damn well deserve it.

Nice scarf, Q.
Thank you, thank you.

Don't try and feel any sympathy for those who are about to go down.

They're going down.

Get a bit of a base of gold and silver because it is the right time to do that. I suppose you know that the Fed appears like it is going to be the 'bail-out' of last resort to US corporate bonds and this means that these things are actually worth something...

Yes I know we would all like to find out just where is the stockpile of gold-pressed Latinum. I need to ask Gozer the Gozerian or Zuul the Gatemaster for where that is, before we send them both back to into the Abyss where they belong. 

Why 72 Virgins...

So, Lesbian Jesus, right? That's the latest new 'amazing' stunt from Hollywood - although it is coming via the pretense of being an 'Indie' production. Starring Paris Jackson. Definitely not, Indie.

Well look, you cannot have it 'both ways' (LOL) - either God is All-Powerful, or God is not and has limited capabilities. As an exercise in exploring the themes of human moral agency, it is okay to consider the possibilities of a 'lesbian Jesus.' Albeit I would like to warn women of that inclination of gender political mind, that the world will still crucify you all the same, woman or not.

'Lesbian Jesus' is the Cosine of Radius 1,
if 'X.0' is the Axis origin. LOL
Why not? People say anything these days.

At this point I would like to alert those who have been reading here over recent times, that it is getting to the stage where it is necessary to distract, obscure, and maybe even deceive the mischievous and malevolent... And you know the funny thing is that those kinds of people will easily be led down the wrong paths, because they are seeking power and control themselves, and the means they always think this is to be had, is via 'data, facts and knowledge.'

You may recall a while back that I posted a GIF of a rolling axis, whose twin circles of differing radius nonetheless traced the exact same linear distance when 'rolled out' along the exact same straight track - intuitively, you would think the bigger circle would trace a different distance to the inner circle.

As we look at trigonometry, we see that in fact, wave amplitudes along frequency curves are really, the same thing as the radial distances of the circles we looked at previously in that other (the GIF) example. And so trigonometry simply calculates triangle side lengths and thus the ratios of related inner angles to side lengths. And in 3-D motion (well, that's I suppose 4-D because of the time component), this is all about wavelengths and frequencies, isn't it?

Christianity is not the only traditional religious system under fire from those interested in messing with the 'template' of social constructs we have been using for a long time. 

In Iraq today there is a noted Islamic scholar - Syed Sheikh Ahmed Al-Gubbanchi - who has utterly crashed through the modern Sunni dogma and previously accepted 'facts' about Islam and the Quran, and he has openly said both that the text used today is provably false, basically a forgery and a concoction made by political interests in successive iterations, and that there was something known as 'the Quran' and that it is not this thing around today.

Simple trigonometry - rotational vectors, linear forward.

But he will hit the same wall as indeed Christian scholars will too, when they point to various key passages of text -, which consists of people not really wanting to actually know the truth, even if it is of greater actual, real, even miraculous, benefit to them.

Let's just for 'thought experiment' purposes, take one seemingly completely absurd element - this thing about '72 virgins.' Another one of the current blazing riots going on in Islamic apologetics right now, is the qira'at translation of a word 'al barea' in the Quran. In one version of the written Quran, the word is 'al barea,' (the creation/creatures) and in another one, it is 'al bare/ah' (the innocent). Well look, I am going to say something no one else does say - this word is like the Latin-esque 'prima vera...' Vera. 'B' is often 'V' in many languages. It means the new, the new-born, the first of, and so on; also the purest of.

In geometry and in trigonometry, you can reverse an image, turn a shape around, and see it from a different angle.

EDM festival pashmina shawl

The standard thing in the old days of Christian churches, was that women were supposed to wear veils because they could distract 'angels' that were possibly in attendance there...

A normal human female, someone born and raised on this planet, is affected by a lot of 'life cycle' things, effects that are pertinent to this actual place, this location in Galactic space. Whereas someone from some distant place, even let's just say hypothetically, living on a 'Death Star' satellite somewhere relatively hidden in this solar system, will have no such habitual experience.

And by contrast we all know that men are often aggressive and transgressing, and this is due to the effects of various biochemical effects inside their normal biology - the concept of moral agency among humans is often just a question of how we mediate or modify natural predispositions of biochemistry.

Categorically, the Bible itself depicts 'otherwordly' beings as having the appearance of a rather feminine kind of beauty - but this contradicts, or stands in contradistinction to the idea that 'angels' are distracted and affected by female beauty, per se.

So if we turn the geometry of the narrative construct around, and look at its obverse - what if there are numerically more 'females' in Jannah, than 'males' on account of biochemistry and biochemical predisposition.

EDM festival gear

Every single commentator from out of the military research fields, who 'went mad and went rogue' and started to produce books and do seminars about the 'aliens' in Roswell, all say - all of them - that these aliens claim to be afraid or at least wary, of the aggressiveness of humans.

The other thing you may discover if you venture into any of the weird and whacky literature, is that the places that any human person are taken to interface with any of these alien groups parked not far off the planet - and there is plenty of written, virtual nonsense, really, about there ever having been some formal US military detachment of selected people 'sent' off-world to learn about technology or whatever - is that these places are virtually completely empty, and they also have a uniform 'white' or glaring, glowing, white color-scheme wherever they take the human personnel.

The reason there are '72' females to every '1' human male, is because this is a superficial effect of biochemistry and 'not-Earth' usual location for someone to be 'living.'

Now I certainly don't expect anyone to 'believe' any of what I am saying here. That would be silly of me. But I would just simply say, that all of the major 'books' of ancient history, especially religious or 'supernatural' narrative 'history,' consist of ideas of those who were trying to convey something, even where they were given extremely accurate explanations of what they were supposed to be looking at, and understanding - and what we tend to do today, what people have tended to do down through centuries, is re-interpret things according to our own immediate levels of science and cultural and social knowledge.

No comment, right?

You cannot break past the pure BS on-line, on places such as Wikipedia typically, and every other place that 'follows suit,' on subjects like the ideas, the language, writing, sounds of words, and their meanings too, and of course the mythology and religion, of ancient Sumeria - you will never get past or be permitted to go beyond Jordan Maxwell's magnetic (and wrong) interpretation about all of this, and the manifesto of popular entertainments like the movie 'Zeitgeist.'

The words 'Inanna,' 'Anunnaki,' and 'Ishtar' are actually in the New Testament... But they are nothing at all, like what people such as Jordan Maxwell, say they are or are meant to describe. And you will not be told what they mean in there, that is, in the Gospels and New Testament, in any modern-day exegesis either. They simply don't know, because - and you will appreciate this, logically - they are coming off the levels of social advancement and awareness, of the past; of past eras. You need to take things from a future perspective, not a past one.

Some of these words are actually in 'the Lord's Prayer.' I have one Russian language translator friend, who does work for the Kremlin now and then, and he has told me: 'You are utterly shameless, aren't you?' And then he described the distance apart in 'word meaning' as being like the valleys made by one's knuckles, and then the side of the wall in the living room, away!

Empty white rooms, Stanley? Yes?

He is wrong.

What I am showing you and telling you are things as best I can locate in generic pics off the internet, that are the exactly closest things to what you will see, if you were literally 'there' yourself. It is what it is.

And if you 'mark your course' according to the course beacons set by the kinds of things implicit in what I have been saying, you will suddenly discover every other thing rapidly falls into place.

The Responsibility Of 'Agency'

I like this concept. The phrasing is rather modern, and it comes from modern academic philosophical discussions of people such as Kant and Bentham and the Australian Utilitarian philosopher Peter Singer. I am personally not a Utilitarian - I do not hold such a stance - however, for the purposes of examining this concept, we must take their own wording about the 'real object of moral action,' which is, that of 'the avoidance of suffering.'

It isn't possible to avoid suffering. Truly moral agents suffer on behalf of so-called 'moral patients' - namely, those others who are entitled to moral consideration, such as the disabled and animals, for instance.

The attractiveness of bubbles...

As individuals, assuming we are of the kind 'who both hear and understand' and therefore are the only ones able to reach this 'other place,' this place of 'nesting in the branches thereof as birds of the air...' ...we cannot personally always sustain the required energy of continuously thinking about the welfare of all other 'moral patients' who are inside our view.

For those of you who have been reading here for some time, it will at some point soon, or it perhaps already has, hit you and hit possibly quite hard, that as soon as you grasp the available power - the power of high speed geometrical maths, futuristic maths, inside your mind, the power that could be there from, as the Taoists say 'consorting with the powers of Heaven...' - you will be turning around, turning back to see what you can do, what you are able to do, for the rest of the world which is in a kind of darkness.

This is typical of those who are applying their moral agency.

There will be odds and ends of things one may be able to do though not much, I would think.

You look at someone like David Wilcock - he may not have everything exactly correct, and I'm sure that he doesn't - but he has a few clues; he got permanently kicked off Wikipedia for 'not being a notable person.' LOL

The complex reflections of life.

The world is intent on staying in permanent darkness. And that is because although 'animated,' as I suggested somewhere recently before, it is not actually alive in the same way as true moral agency in intelligent form, is.

Nothing goes up, which hasn't in the first place descended from the 'up' to the here...

Sadhguru (and I don't agree with him on this), says that human intelligence and intelligent consciousness springs from breaking through some kind of threshold along the curve of natural organic expansion and complexity - and he appeals to the Theory of Evolution to support his premise. I think he is being swayed by the need to sell books and events in the West and to avoid the trouble that Deepak Chopra once got himself into, arguing with Dawkins and various Western academic concepts.

Frankly, nothing could be further from the truth.

And you will realize this as soon as you have the experience of encountering any kind of 'community mind' (this concept itself comes from the academic literature on 'Moral agency' in which there is virtually a political statement being made about people all agreeing together that they are seeking the avoidance of suffering, hence becoming a 'community') which is of a genuinely 'advanced' kind.

You see, what is very clear is just how rigid, rigorously self-defined, organized, unswerving, not bribe-able, these people all are!

As humans we tend to do this kind of 'moral suasion' thing: 'look, if you could just...'

But can I just tempt you...?

But if you could just... 

If, and/or when, you ever get to 'encounter' anything of the kind of thing that I have been talking about here recently, my advice is the immediate next thing you do is stop worrying about the rest of the world, the rest of the planet, the whole planet - just take a break and go where you are being led. They know what they are doing and they have more and better information than we do. If the world is going to hell in a hand-basket (as my dad used to say) it's none of our business and none of our concern and there is moreover nothing we can do about it. If the thing we are working on now eventually comes out, it is going to be very very frightening - not your problem, though. And not mine, either. It is not our problem. So what if these weirdo sci fi futuristic humanoid plague locusts... You know what I'm saying.

We are 'the middle children of history; born to late to explore the planet, too early to explore the stars...' And way too late to effect radical change - to pull the chestnuts out of the fire, as it were; the fire is already burning, and hot and strong.

I'm very much afraid to say, 'it is what it is' now.

'I don't know, John - can you?'

One of the reasons I post some of these EDM trance music items here is that behind what you hear is an awful lot of structure and musical tradition - although it might not immediately seem so. Here is an interesting example. This is Giuseppe Ottaviani. He is a completely classically-trained musician behind it all, behind all the modern technology. These guys are the people who interface with mainstream people like Hans Zimmer, who is one good example of someone who absorbs a lot of their work in order to score big time Hollywood movies.

Ottaviano here is using the Ableton Live 10 computer system, which is effectively an AI processing algorithm, which takes what he inputs, and creates some dynamic, live 'progressional' flows that fulfill his own style of composing, on top of which he then plays after these patterns have been established. This is real AI in partnership with the human being.

  

The Sacred 'Loc-Nar'

So this is an interesting 'framing device' to what I was intending to post in this article anyway.

The 'Sacred Loc-Nar' is this green orb thing, of varying size, but always green and glowing, that holds the original 1981 adult cartoon film of the classic French comic 'Metal Hurlant' (Heavy Metal). In the movie story segments, each mini-story turns on someone having 'found' this strange, mystical, as well as powerful, green object - which virtually always becomes the cause of some major disaster for those who find it.

The adult comic movie, supposedly made in Canada, is quirky (well, it's from a French comic book, after all!), but it's also brilliant. And it's a cult classic. Wikipedia and all other historical records of note now say that the movie was directed by Gerald Potterton, but in fact it was produced by Ivan Reitman (who nowadays says he 'only part produced it') and directed by Robert Altman who went to great lengths to distance himself from it altogether.

Altman hated it. And Reitman more or less disclaims it.

The key writer Dan O'Bannon, is a genuine genius, who wrote the movie 'Alien.' He, together with cartoonist Richard Corben, had been submitting work to the French Adult Comic Magazine Metal Hurlant, a magazine being published in Paris by the cartoon art genius 'Moebius.'

Heavy Metal 1981 comes across in some sense as a 'left-over' piece from the Sixties' cultural mindset, but then, the mindset of the adults in the Sixties, who were of course, in the first place not 'Sixties people' themselves but from an entirely earlier generation, is likewise an earlier one. Yet it radically overcomes all of the Sixties' failure of intellect and produces extraordinarily insightful but also confronting and not politically-correct philosophical arguments.

Altman always wanted to be regarded as a serious director and he never was that, certainly not of any note in the way that he wished to be perceived - which was as another Scorsese, at minimum.

Temple of the Sacred 'Loc-Nar.' LOL
From the movie...

Anyway the point re what I was going to try and get at here, is that there is a certain 'twisted quirkiness' in real life, and this 'adult cartoon' arguably captures it well enough. Altman didn't think so, neither did Reitman.

The 'twisted quirkiness' is this: ...well, why? But why?

And what you will only find, across almost every single major 'religious philosophical understanding,' for instance, is this kind of thing: they will go all the way through clearly rational and valid and testable, sound hypotheses, but then swerve away at the end, into a kind of a 'reality gone missing,' or a 'missing reality' which they say is real, but simply cannot be established in material reality as a fact. Like this, here: (take the modern Veda interpretations - not the actual Vedas, by the way, just the way people want to say that they are...). Your five senses are misleading, and so when you activate your 'Kundalini' you suppress the quality of illusion that is produced by your five senses, and you will 'see' the Universal 'reality' in a 'pure' spiritual way, and then after you do that deeply and successfully, you will see everywhere and into everything spiritually, and you will abandon your material life... Literally, they will say 'abandon.'

Strange, green liquid... What is it? (More LOL, just joking,
okay? Cleans your hands, doesn't do anything else).

Well now, see, when you were a small child, you had your five senses, and then you grew up, and the processing your brain did of what those senses brought you was more complex, and more complexity was there in your experiences, and you saw that life was more complex... ...and yes sure it involved disappointment, but to switch into manufacturing a stance on that disappointment by accusing it of only being part of a total illusion, is a self-justification, a rationalizing, of failure; it's not a recognition of any kind of external reality at all. It's an internal intellectual position. Now you can 'handle' external reality all you want that way, yes you certainly can, but that doesn't 'make it actually so.'

So I was going to 'quickly' add on top of the recent direction of discussions here, that no, I am not saying 'water-into-wine' metaphorically, although it can be that too. I am saying actual drinkable wine. Otherwise what's the point? You're either God, or you ain't god; stop pulling our legs.

You see, I am being confronted by the NASA stuff, in which there is every scientific and empirically testable reason to conclude that there are much more advanced intelligent species around the place, many of whom are literally themselves (we're not, they are) capable of traveling the vast distances to here. And, they do it.

And this introduces, not so much religious philosophy aspects (although it does also do that on one level), but this idea about complexity.

My conclusion is that if you merely take the same natural course and direction of what you yourself experienced growing from a child to a much older and more experienced adult, all that will happen is that your appreciation of the complexity of what your senses are telling you, about life and about all of the dynamics in there, reaches various thresholds, and you go past them into more enhanced ways of looking at things.

Strange green dress... What is this?! Take it off,
at once!

Now why would it be that you then suddenly turned backwards, and snuffed out what had been serving you perfectly well up until this second, in order to replace all of it with a hypothetical 'spiritual' other sense that no one can 'see' and that you yourself cannot 'see' but only 'imagine,' really. Sure they want to say 'oh but it is a spiritual, therefore non-material form of seeing...' It's not any kind of seeing; it's delusion.

If you go to the mainstream Christian mentality, it isn't any different. It's all 'spiritual.' If you go the Islamic it's precisely the same. Pie in the sky, when you die; jam yesterday and jam tomorrow, but never jam today.

Listen, the word in the New Testament about what 'descended down onto them forcibly' is not 'dove' although it can be taken to say 'a dove' in Greek. 

Here we at last get some truth out of Wiki. They actually mention the word might be coming from the Semitic 'bird of Ishtar' but that 'makes it only worse' (I mean it makes my point even more cuttingly). The word in Genesis is 'Ishsha,' which is not translated at all into English, and you will see the footnotes there about that. They don't translated it either because they don't know what it means, or means to say, or 'they' do and won't say. 

See, for sure there is an implication of the word part 'aster;' star.

So I'm telling you, explicitly, we are dealing with something here that virtually no one has ever talked about properly, either from the ancient texts in any culture, but specifically for the Western mind, from the Judaeo-Christian texts -, and it is definitely not 'spiritual' as in completely incorporeal, and unseen. Although, yes for sure, there is the not plainly visible, as well as the stuff CERN is working on, namely, Neutrinos and 'invisible Universal particle lines,' and there certainly is moral and absolute reality 'Spirit.' There are all of those things; IE extreme complexity. 

Who actually got close to this in a recent YouTube channel dissertation was the prominent modern Islamic scholar Mufti Abu Layth. And that's because he's using the great Arabic Aristotelian texts as his sources.

But we are dealing with the 'quirky,' and also the intelligent 'other' person/individual conscious agent/agency. You can't push this around, in the same way you might, say a subservient intellect - this is a much higher intellect than we are, or than we have been. They're not going to be pushed around the way we humans all like to push those we overpower, around.

No advanced alien intelligence would be either, and we cannot expect them to be. Would they get so pissed off that they whack us in the head at some point, or just benevolently look down patronizingly, and disregard as? 

Very patronizing. WTF is that BTW, he is holding; betcha
he doesn't even know, and that's because he's an actor.
Prolly he thinks it's a scarf, an expensive scarf.

You cannot, just go doing a bunch of 'Kundalini' yoga and then somehow enter some exorbitantly advanced intellectual standing, without breaching through the reality of what that would be in your ordinary sensory context.

You cannot, do a bunch of 'chakra spinning' practices, and suddenly spin your way out of the human social context and messiness in there.

Judaeo-Christianity is a bit peculiar, frankly, because - well, a lot of deep ancient texts are - there are words in there which mean quite different things to what we commonly think that they do mean, and different to how we traditional 'take them' to mean: for example, the Jewish texts like the Zohar and so on, say 'columbarium' (like a dovecot), and also 'Palace of the Bird's Nest,' and in the New Testament, they say 'where the Eagle nests...'

How would they, for instance, back in those days, describe, say Darth Vader's 'Death Star?' Well okay I'm saying Death Star! Maybe we could say 'Life Star.' 

Waddya think? Any some good this one mayt? (As my Serbian Chicago Comex boss used to say to me when he had a winner and wanted to feign being a stoopid ignorant Slavic backwoodsman).