We use 'cause and effect' to establish what we are calling 'logic' in our human mindsets.
Religions are reflections of the prevailing political situations. And that is all that they are.
The religious texts in tyrannies are characterized by threats versus propositions.
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The religious texts of democracies are limitless: there is a 'constitution' around that will suit someone, but not one in particular that must suit all. There are never-ending constitutions, never-ending amounts of religious ideas and beliefs and it's all like a bazaar in which people can just wander around, picking and choosing whichever one suits them for that afternoon.
(I mean none of these things are sayings that are mine, at least not in this lifetime for sure! Other people wrote them a long time ago).
The religious texts of monarchies are high mythologies of the 'Golden Age' from which, out of the dim mists of antiquity, lineages proceed/have proceeded, and which are to be preserved.
Unfortunately, human beings, being what they are, well they adapt to bad situations so much so that at a point, it becomes impossible to prevent them from feeling emotionally displaced, and worried and troubled, when you 'free them' from some, let's say previous condition of enslavement.
To just look at possible narratives from the past about 'encounters' we need look no further than the story of the so-called 'Tower of Babel.'
Islam is not quite certain about exactly why Allah, in that case, decided to destroy the place and confound/confuse the people. Possibly 'Nimrod' (Arabic 'Namrud'/'Numrud') built this structure, possibly with the intent of 'climbing to Heaven to confront and even to overthrow God...'
Or possibly, either the tower was built so that two angels - Harut and Marut - could descend there, and from whence they then taught Mankind various 'magical arts:' which included cosmetics for women, chemistry and poisons, and how to make various weapons of war.
This narrative also exists in the Judaeo-Christian system, via the Book of Enoch certainly, though also in various places of the canonical Bible.
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| 'Tower of Babel' bottle design by Serge Mansau. |
We are left, however, with a significant contradictory set of narratives: either God destroyed Babylon and the Tower of Babel because Nimrod wanted to 'ascend to Heaven,' or because angels came down there and taught Mankind advanced forms of mischief.
Now frankly, let's assume you or I are actual 'God' in Heaven, and we are sitting there and someone on Earth decides to construct a very tall tower in order to 'get up to us...'
What we do? Logically, we would most certainly go: 'Okay, off you go then. Keep going. No problem.'
Doesn't make sense, right - that any real God would be even in the slightest bit concerned that anyone was going to get to Him any time soon by that means.
Meanwhile, later on in the Bible, this 'God' who meets and greets Moses -, has protruding nostrils ('apayim') on his face, breathes smoke and fire from out of them, spits burning coals down to Earth from out of his mouth, flies in smoke and clouds, lives on a mountain, possesses and hides a treasure, demands a percentage of virgins as 'his sacrificial share,' consumes heifers and goats and sheep and even people, gets angry a lot and destroys stuff.
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And, even - he has a squadron of winged flying brass-like vipers that he liberally sends out to bite people, including his own 'followers/worshipers.'
This whole thing is not as simple (as many people want to think) as 'oh well, that's because God doesn't exist...'
No. What we can take from all of the accounts may be something along these lines: somebody built a very tall tower. We don't really know why.
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| Dome angel in Madrid, sculpted by Federico Coullaut-Valera. It is called 'Winged Victory' (Victoria Alada) and was completed on the 'Day of Athena' which is 11 October. |
Something 'weird' happened but we really cannot say what, but something did.
And subsequent textual narratives reflect the politics - Jews are essentially enshrining a monarchical form of politics (KING David); Muhammadans are enshrining a Caliph-style tyrannical system (ONE ruler, reflection on Earth OF God, many many threats of extreme violence, plus propositions about what you will get in the future after you are dead, so long as you agree to become a slave).
And now we have Campbell's Tomato Soup Xtians all going along with the standard Jewish narrative - whereas this, is actually what their putative leader (Jesus) actually said about the Jews and their 'Moses:' "Moses gave you the Law, BUT..."
Huh?? But? But what?!
This is real God talking now, right - according to 'Christians' (so they want to claim they are, and from where they are deriving their form of the equivalent nonsense) - and He has just then whole-ly disavowed 'the Law of Moses!'
Christians make it all the worse, when they insist on calling the individual concerned: 'Jesus' and 'Yeshua' (which is supposedly, the Hebrew form of it). Well, but that is not His name... Is it? This 'Christ' guy is an 'El' figure, not a 'Yeh' figure... (Isra-EL, EL-ijah, Dan-i-EL). So what's His actual birth name and why don't people use it?
The Quran (hopping over to there in my recent type of 'hopping and skipping' that has become all too noticeable, even to me!) - Allah says 'you must call someone and know them if you are to give respect acceptable to me BY THE NAME OF HIS FATHER.'
So - what Muslim can tell me what is this 'name of Muhammad's father' by which you are supposed to call him, to address him, and to refer to him?
Anyone? Anyone?
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...The point of all this, is for me to ask you to please consider, what would happen two minutes after some really good-looking hot ET Alien arrived on your doorstep, with a bottle of 'Big Red' telling you, that she (or he for that matter) was lost and needed to find the house of her (his) grandma's before evening - while batting their eyelids, all lengthened through their advanced arts of cosmetics.
You would annoy them no end, by having far far far too much difficulty, adjusting to a new reality, in which the morals (KP mentioned this) and the ethics and the 'rules' of what is understood to be a Universal Deity to truly advanced sentient beings - was nothing at all like what you (whether right now you care to admit it or not) had become so used to, that every five seconds around these people you would be questioning inside your mind (which they can easily read) whether something was 'right or wrong.' To say nothing of the fact that you would be assigning all kinds of consequences - that canon on through your emotional psychological being as 'perceptual realities.' 'I feel such-and-such.' That is a reality. It is known by psychology as 'perceptual reality.'
How much energy, do you think it is taking, on the part of advanced beings, to underwrite the nonsense going on in your head? 'Underwrite' meaning -, tolerate, and then spend time and energy on, un-doing. All the damn bloody time.
People who are moving fluidly through space-time, understand that 'cause and effect' in time-line frames of reference, is only a small part of logic and reality.
You want to have an advance intelligent being meet with you 'now' and so they can 'give' you some helpful things, maybe even 'hook up' (I believe, is what they say, the kids these days?).
How about you just keep your mind still, and observe...
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But note, as you do, that the political situation of 'angels' (a la Harut & Marut) or of whoever is in touch/in tune, with actual Universal 'Deity,' is not tyrannical, certainly not democratic, not monarchical, and not technocratic. So what is it? And how will you 'get into it,' without dragging along all of the baggage of the human race that has built up inside of you, whether you like to acknowledge it all that readily or not, just yet.
'Republic' does NOT, mean, as the current definition maintains 'a type of system in which a state is ruled by representatives of the citizen body.'
It means equality between its members. You need to be equal. To meet any advanced ET Alien overtly, and for them to acknowledge who they are to you and to stay - you have to be their equal.
And you can do that. Yes you can. You can get there.
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ReplyDeleteSomehow you've managed to read my mind and sort of put this thing up here that is basically going to make me have a massive dissociative episode where my mind is forced to scatter itself in many directions all at once. Nice move.
ReplyDeleteLet me re-write some of what you've said up there. Like so: "We've used algebra to describe what we've established as logic." This is technically true. My understanding is that the development starts with Leibniz. But for us this is where the "intellectually narrow" realms begin and end. As I see it there is an aspect of religion which attempts to extend this realm for its followers, and then bad things happen.
The cool thing about logic is the inevitability of its conclusions. I can imagine living in a universe where there are minds and understandings of things whose truths do not depend on the experience of separated individuals. There can be no real conflict in this world, and hence no danger that some being will use its power to destroy the universe or a significant chunk of it.
How can a piece of stone with some magical words carved into it hold what appear to us in our world to be technological powers? Well because that stone is also part of the "intellectually narrow space" and certain things were done or said or happened. There were DEEDS and the inevitable consequence is that this stone now functions in this "magical" way because it can not fail to do so. Words do not have meaning in that world because there is consensus among people who use them. They just do.
So now "ET" comes along and notices that there is a planet full of the leftover toys from other ET experiments which are by now even a part of their own "dim stories from the past." Sentient beings who do not recognize themselves as the equals of other sentient beings. "ET" can get them to enter into contracts or treaties or agreements, without understanding what they are actually doing, and this will have consequences in the "intellectually narrow" space which we ET won't need to tell them about, because ET can't tell them about it, because they don't recognize themselves..."
At some point someone will look at ET and say "what the hell, man?" and ET will say "hey, it's all good. they told us and they believed in it with their hearts, it was their choice, we made records of what was in their minds, our hands our tied as are yours"
Well anyway, a nice concept for the sci-fi.
I'm following what you are saying here. Obviously, from my own perspective 'religion' is mostly just a human social/psychological phenomenon. And you also put it rather nicely with the expression along the lines that 'words do not have meaning because there is consensus.' In Islam this even has a descriptive word: 'mutawatir;' everybody says so so it must be true... LOL
ReplyDeleteMy basic direction regarding human forms of 'logic' is that the human race has built itself only dead-end 'cause and effect' strands of thinking. This isn't immediately obvious but it is so: the end-point is always bounded by the explicit constraints of the individual elements of the algebra involved. There is no such thing, in human logic or science, in practice for academia certainly, as - the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. That's simply a joke to them, an item of pointless and unrealistic rhetoric.
You seem nonetheless and despite all of this - which you quite clearly are able to see - stuck on this idea that ET must necessarily be here to exploit 'us' or some obtaining context or situation that we are in. Although I did get it you were indicating vaguely at least, that THIS CURRENT 'ET' is a new-comer here (and that isn't correct though, not from any indicative source that I am aware of who study these things continuously, maybe even officially) - if you adopt the mainstream position of 'likelihood' that they have been coming here for a long time, then EITHER they ARE the ones exploiting us anyway, OR, they wouldn't exploit us at all because it isn't any part of their ethos.
I don't see that you need to be overly defensive that these people are here 'to seduce us into entering into disadvantageous contracts.' I mean look at yourself for one really good example: how many times have I already said that the way humans behave, with their 'broken wheel' mentality and supreme self-involved ego-centric defensiveness (which is really bespeaking much more about themselves than anyone outside of...), very VERY soon, they are going to annoy other sentient beings from elsewhere who do not have that mindset at all.
And now, you are likely even going to tell me, you have never met an ET Alien and you don't know one, right? But can you venture a self-reflecting opinion on whether you have ever met anyone that you annoyed though...? ;) ...There's a pool there, you see. There's already a pool of candidates.
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DeleteI've never had experiences with aliens and only speak of them like this because they are a useful fiction, and it is more convenient than getting into the whole discussion about evidence versus belief and so on.
DeleteI'm pretty sure I have annoyed an alien or 2 in my day. Maybe they will look past that.
DeleteAn 'ET Alien' is a sentient being, more or less just like us because that is simply the optimum sensory/affective construct, who generally lives not on this Earth planet, and comes from very very far away, but has some reason to be here at a particular 'moment' (length of linear time). When a human says 'I've never had experiences with (ET) Aliens' that could be quite right because humans' perceptual reality consists of a very specific kind of linear time consciousness.
ReplyDeleteThe perceptual 'now' to a human is around 3 seconds although some say it can be stretched a little longer; registering a conscious thought takes 500 milliseconds (half a second) and sensory data arrives at the amgydala in 12 milliseconds.
An ET Alien can 'be here' in fractions of those examples of linear time packets - and so you won't 'see' them. Additionally, some may have fully integrated into human society for some purpose and will not disclose any evidence to you that they are anything other than human beings. Elon Musk is obviously just a human being, although being jocular to Joe Rogan, and the delivery of which statement verged dangerously close to low sarcasm about Rogan's constituency: he told Joe that he was an Alien!
'Belief' is about what human beings are proposing OPENLY to themselves and others is what they 'think' to be so, whereas evidence also requires to be in its defined frame-of-reference. You cannot have easy 'evidence' when you do not have the perceptual instrumentation to observe it. We MUST deal with the 'why' of it all properly, next. 'If' (because KP insists he has no evidence) they are here/exist even AT ALL (they are and they do), then why are they not here openly? That's a key question, not just a good one.
I'm not insisting I have no evidence! I'm saying I'm unaware of having it, which is almost the same. I deleted a comment where I described experiences I've had which some other people would insist is contact with ETs.
DeleteI watched a live youtube stream with Laura Eisenhower. "They're here and they signed a treaty with my great grandfather's administration and it is pure evil."
If you respond to someone like that and say "IF they are here, why would they need treaties?" and that person becomes annoyed because you seem to be questioning what they know to be true...
That's where I'm at.
An absolutely valid point that you raise... WHY?
DeleteWhy, why, why. Unfortunately, there is an answer to 'why.'
As the head of Scientology in S.E.A. (no pun!) once told me - he happened to have been an exec at a HUGE ad agency in HK too, of course: 'think of ourselves as inside a box with no doors, the instructions as to how to get out of the box, are written on the outside.' ...Was a stupid nonsensical thing to say to me at the time, because I didn't really get the point, but 100% we shall be dealing with this important matter of 'why,' next.
My opinion only...they are here. I have little doubt. What are their intentions? I believe they are not against mankind. Lets face it, if they can get here from there, they could have wiped us out with zero problem. But they didn't. So why are they here? Some might say it's because we are going off the rails and we need their help. I choose to believe it's because we have been off the rails for thousands of years and some of us are trying to fix that ...and they decided to help. Either way difficult times seem to be ahead for us but maybe at the other end of those problems will be a great positive.
ReplyDeleteI think it's such a mind trip, and fascinating. I do simple breathing exercises and feel an odd little pressure in my forehead which has lately become more noticeable. So here's someone on youtube claiming to be part of the cia research in the 50s into telekinesis and the like, saying that humans were using their pineal glands long ago to travel the universe. It's all really very distracting and not very helpful.
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